How do you know that your NT interpretation is, in fact, correct? 33:14-26 and have never got a straight answer). I meant to include that neither testament should be given priority. To deny the latter is to dangerously confuse our interpretations, which are fallible, with sacred Scripture, which is infallible. While they do this, God's glory in the covenants shine. But genre isn't how we do literal/literary interpretation, and it doesn't come from a detailed study of grammar and history. Someday, this year will end! In other words, is it really the system that is at fault or the exegete? Second, the chapter on the new covenant in Daniel is masterful. And do you really think in another hundred years people will be saying the same things about 2nd Temple interpretation that they do now? Now don’t get me wrong the discussion surrounding Daniel was intense and challenging but I walked away feeling like I have a much better grasp on the book then I did before and it’s made my understanding of the entire story of Scripture richer and more satisfying. It is better named "corrective revelation" or "revised revelation. Paul faults them for basing their entire position on NT exegesis. I'll post a fuller review later. What is the relationship of Israel and the Church? What the OT says, and how we interpret what it says may be entirely different matters. Furthermore it is inadequate since the NT refers to very little of the OT. In line with many, the authors of this book devalue the OT by making much of it typological based on their understanding of the NT (they read the NT back into the OT). School of Divinity 8:7-13), which are part of the progressive revelation of the one plan of God that is fulfilled in the new covenant. Reviews (18) Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants (Second Edition) Stephen J. Wellum. Loved the book. In this abridgement of the groundbreaking book Kingdom through Covenant, a biblical scholar and a theologian offer readers an accessible overview of the overarching structure of the Bible. It's def a book which will cause you to dig into Scripture. Reviews (73) Read more . Just a moment while we sign you in to your Goodreads account. I meant hermeneutical of course. When I read former CT now NCT hammer this point, I can only imagine Sam Waldron or Michael Horton with a twitch in their eye as they read that. They trace the meaning of the concept speaking the truth in love back through the Old Testament arguing that it’s connected with the concept social justice. In fact, while I was expecting the book to be informative, I don't think I was expecting to learn quite as much as I did. The NT would verify whether or not the OT exegesis was correct. 13 Peter J. Gentry & Stephen J. Wellum, Kingdom through Covenant, 177ff. Recommended for serious Bible students (it is not an easy read). This allows us to speak properly of the continuity of God’s plan across the ages now culminated in the new covenant, and it also helps us avoid flattening the relationship between the biblical covenants and downplaying the signficant amount of progression between them. Will come back to it at a later time! Book Libraries. Early on they state their position “would fit broadly under the umbrella of what is called "new covenant theology," or to coin a better term, “progressive covenantalism.” But they argue they are plowing new ground in making new proposals. I see no reason to depart from that. Kingdom Through Covenant proposes a lofty thesis and then spends the span of hundreds of pages defending and clarifying in hopes to have a more biblical understanding of the nature of the unfolding of the covenants in Scripture. This holistic approach allowed them to fairly expound each passage of Scripture. Some of the Hebrew was above my pay grade but I never felt lost and easily followed the train of thought. For that reason I remain skeptical of their conclusion that the Noahic covenant suggests a pre-existing, definite covenant with man in Eden or a covenant with creation etc. of Kingdom through Covenant by a team of scholars who accept the basic biblical- theological framework of Gentry and Wellum and develop that framework in areas that the initial book did not (e.g. I'm just getting into this one. And the reason has a lot to do with 2nd Temple Judaism and how they interpreted Scripture. The authors call their view a species of new covenant theology, opting for progressive covenantalism (24) or simply for kingdom through covenant. Chapter 1 The Importance of Covenants in Grasping the Bible’s Story. The land, which functioned as a type of this greater reality, now reaches its terminus. Excellent book, though it takes some work to get through. The strength of the book is in the way the issues are laid out in the first part of the book, as well as the summary and theological implications in the third part. Eden as the temple sanctuary now reaches its telos in the new creation. There is so much rich information that could easily be translated into meat for a lay person. ***** It forces us to declare that the NT has not corrected our interpretation because it cannot. We cannot claim that our hermaneutic is either inspired or infallible. Grace Church, Des Moines, IA, Adjunct Instructor Neither have the majority of Christians for most of Church History. 92) from all nations (pp. The authors are suggesting what seems to be a fresh way to understand redemptive history. They constantly speak of the fulfillment at the Cross and such like. But this observation seems to assert the very thing you wish to deny--infallible interpretation. Reviews (100) Read more . Not "progressive" but "revised" revelation? But the future antitype will surely come, not only because God completely knows that it will, according to his eternal plan, but also because God sovereignly and providentially will guarantee that the prophetic fulfillment of the original type will occur in Christ. 's favored hermeneutics above suspicion while DT's 'contend that the NT cannot correct their interpretation?' Just a quick reply because of present time limitations. Also, the flow of thought and arrangement could nicely translate into a more advanced discipleship track or sunday school of sorts for unpacking the covenant and the narrative of all of Scripture. Do we treat each other with faithful loyal love? That isn't progressive revelation at all. Those terms I used were lifted from former CT but now NCT who made those very claims. The discussions surrounding the covenant of creation and the Noahic covenant, the new covenant as revealed in Daniel, and the life in the new covenant discussion in Ephesians 4:15 were the most thought provoking and encouraging for me. We do know why the NT interprets the OT as it does - often. This, in turn, allows us to see specific covenantal discontinuities in God’s unfolding plan which has import for a variety of theological issues. http://www.telosministries.com/forty-reasons-for-not-reinterpreting-the-old-testament-according-to-the-new/. Why can we not simply read the OT and believe what it says? At least for me. This book was of great help to me in articulating and honing what I've come to believe about the relationship between the Old and New Testaments and the Biblical Covenants in my study of Scripture. In the new covenant Hebrews emphasis repeatedly that the new covenant is better in its efficiencies and application. I already mentioned the benefit for the chapter on the new covenant and Daniel but the entire work would be a huge help for pastors interested in preaching through the Old Testament. NCT emphasizes actual covenants, not speculative ones. As seven-hundred-plus pages, I figured this book would be very thorough in discussing the various covenants, and it was. 2. Mike Vlach also reviewed it in addition to Bock and Moo. We just don't happen to agree with you about genre. There seems to be so much going on and so many allusions and prophecy—it’s hard to wrap your head around. Liberty University. if any editors from Crossway happen upon GOD’S KINGDOM. I think the NT is the final word. Many Christians, myself included, find themselves stuck between two competing theological systems used to interpret the Bible's over-arching story: dispensationalism on the one hand, and covenant theology on the other. But way too long with very little pay dirt. Chapter 11 “Kingdom through Covenant”: A Biblical-Theological Summary . Looks down their nose at any talk of genre? Peter Gentry & Stephen Wellum are seeking a middle way between covenant theology and dispensational theology. We’d love your help. by Crossway Books, Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants. Yes, I have read the book. Kingdom through Covenant Book Description : Many theological discussions come to an impasse when parties align behind either covenant theology or dispensationalism. After this book I'm certain I've landed in the new covenant theology camp or as the authors term their view: "progressive covenantalism." It’s noteworthy that Paul argues that people who speaking crudely, live lasciviously, and generally disregard this new covenant holiness have “no inheritance in the kingdom of Chist and God” (Ephesians 5:5). This patter is kaleidoscopic and recursive.”, Essential Theology Books for a Seminary Education, Progressive Covenantalism: Charting a Course between Dispen, Progressive Covenantalism: Charting a Course between Dispensational and Covenantal Theologies, 32 Short, New Books to Help You CRUSH Your Reading Challenge. If the NT is the priority in interpretation, some key texts were starved for attention and locked in a closet. If some are understood this way, others may be as well. Some assert that if the NT used the OT in certain ways, then we should be able to do the same. I give this book 1 star right away for the editing and type-face. What I and others like me are saying is that G.N. (it would be plain daft to deny this point). That isn't progressive revelation at all. For in the new covenant, they argue, Jeremiah 31 says that all those who are under the new covenant have experienced the work of the Spirit in their heart. Surely the NT must be given priority in our understanding of the OT. Kingdom Through Covenant proposes a lofty thesis and then spends the span of hundreds of pages defending and clarifying in hopes to h. I find it both surprising and encouraging that a book spanning 700+ pages has sent such ripples through the stream of evangelicalism, but then I remember that within such a book is a purported dismantling of theological systems like covenant & dispensational theology, general atonement, the nature of the covenants in scripture (unconditional vs. conditional), etc. They were supposed to believe certain things and do certain things, and Jesus rebukes them for not doing it (cf. This book reveals the structure that supports the revelation of God’s message throughout time. Otherwise, the meaning is not in the words, but in something else. But that's getting a bit astray. To begin studying the OT with a particular rule of interpretation, such as the "literal whenever possible" rule, will lead us to understand the OT in a fairly predictable way. 146, 149, 156, 160), who through suffering have been given a clean heart (pp. If we argue that the new covenant is different from the old covenant primarily because the new covenant is not mixed and as Jeremiah 31 says all those under the new covenant will experience a greater working of the Holy Spirit than the question must asked: for who is Christ representing under the new covenant? In discussing this method, they spend a significant amount of space defending biblical typology by distinguishing it from allegory. On top of this you are advocating interpretation of Scripture from outside of Scripture. Speaking the truth in love is paramount for this. By Jeremy M. Kimble. Not everyone agrees with Ryrie's 3 essentials for DT. Paul claims the authors of this book do not understand DT. Ultimately, I'm convinced that their new covenant theology position, which sees Jesus as the true Israel, is the most true to Scripture of any of the options on the table today for seeing how the OT and NT fit together, and for how to view Israel and the Church. He shows how land in the OT itself is expanded and viewed as a type from Eden on through Canaan to an expectation of a global inheritance. That's a good thing because we often cannot reconstruct the history in many places accurately from the statements of the biblical authors. Moo, Bock, and Vlach all mentioned how weak the NT exegesis was. As seven-hundred-plus pages, I figured this book would be very thorough in discussing the various covenants, and it was. I find it difficult to defend the notion that OT interpretation should be given priority over the NT. We can see what they did, but we do not know how they did it. The theological summaries of competing systems were well done and helpful. What other conclusion can we draw from progressive revelation? ", "I do not believe one Testament has heremeutical priority over the other." ... Paul faults them for basing their entire position on NT exegesis. What Dispensationalists do to the land promise, Covenantalists do to the geneological principle (entering the covenant through circumcision). The disciplines of biblical and systematic theology join forces to investigate anew the biblical covenants and the implications of such a study for conclusions in systematic theology. Gentry gives a fresh perspective and an enticing challenge to adherents to both dispensational and classic covenantal hermeneutics of scripture. I think Kingdom Through Covenant, much like Blaising and Bock's Progressive Dispensationalism, will be a theological game-changer. They describe this as the three horizons: textual, epochal, and canonical. Next, although I do not advocate G-H hermeneutics as applied to the Bible, but come at it through Scripture itself, yet as John Sailhamer and others have pointed out, the G-H method is really grammatical interpretation. Since all OT prophecies are not quoted in the NT, I cannot prove that assertion. Whether one finds their arguments convincing or not, theologians who argue for or against covenant theology or dispensationalism will eventually have to consider the claims made by the authors. They also argue that the “Anointed One” and “Leader” in 9:25-26 (see pp. Visually, this book is top notch. Gentry and Wellum argue that there is both conditional and unconditional imports to the Abrahamic covenant. Thus, Scripture doesn't interpret Scripture, profane history does. You ought to know that I am well aware of the "other scholars" and their typological exegesis (something I alluded to above). NCT is actually very limited in its scope. Especially if you do not have a background in theology, the reading will be strenuous but I found the same joy finishing this book as I do after a long hike to the top of a mountain. And the covenant relationship which God created us for in the first place is now realized in its fullness as we enjoy the presence of our great and glorious triune covenant God, and serve him in worship, adoration, devotion, and obedience forevermore. They also argue for Ezra’s return commissioned by Artaxerxes as the beginning of the seventy weeks and note it also starts “a sabbatical cycle” (p. 547). This book hurts CT more than DT by far. 108, 125, 142) and thus keep God’s covenant by obeying his will (pp. “Kingdom through Covenant has helped me better understand the Bible as a continuous narrative. This characterization is completely incorrect. But lo and behold a book called the Apocalypse (Revelation) is converted into "apocalyptic" genre which we're told hides or veils the actual meaning! They also look at the linguistic data behind cutting a covenant and upholding a covenant. What is “Kingdom through Covenant”? But there is a huge difference between stating the NT may only supply additional information, because the inspired NT cannot correct nor contradict the inspired OT, and stating that the NT may confirm or else correct our interpretation of the OT. The priority is given to social justice (feeding the poor, taking care of orphans, etc). That can't be the essence of CT since it is not unique to CT. Featured website Just arrived . Within the wider development of their kingdom through covenant, their argument for particular redemption is nearly an impenetrable fort. That seems opposite of what one might expect, but that appears to be the crux of the competing interpretations. Another way of stating this is that we cannot interpret the OT without reference to the NT. You cannot ask for much from any book. And yet those living in OT times were expected to read/hear the OT and do something with it. Should we presume that all of church history was somehow left out of something so key? God’s Kingdom through God’s Covenants is the abridged version of Gentry and Wellum’s magisterial 2012 work, Kingdom through Covenant. Here you are advocating a hermeneutics relativized by our position on the timeline. On what basis can we be sure of our NT interpretation but not our OT interpretation? Therefore, do not let the size of this book intimidate you. According to a biblical-theological understanding of Ephesians 4-6, such a lifestyle is not only morally wrong, it is a form of social injustice and leads to being less than fully human. Tyler is a pastor in Olympia, WA and works in State government. They are both equally the Word of God and are both quite clear (with some exceptions in certain passages). Another way of stating this is that we cannot interpret the OT without reference to the NT. If NT authors do not arrive at the same interpretation, we know that we failed to discern the divinely intended meaning. The OT and NT cannot hold equal place in the field of interpretation. There is no via media here, only a recasting of covenant theology via "New Covenant Theology." Actually Bob, I said nothing about NT exegesis. (p. 156). “Kingdom through Covenant has helped me better understand the Bible as a continuous narrative. But the handling of the OT by NT authors may very well correct the way we have interpreted the OT. Start by marking “Kingdom through Covenant: A Biblical-Theological Understanding of the Covenants” as Want to Read: Error rating book. Goodreads helps you keep track of books you want to read. But the question remains, was that interpretation inspired, or is it something we can do simply with the OT text apart from inspiration? Gentry, Peter J., and Stephen J. Wellum. What role does the Holy Spirit play in what they did with the NT? What Dispensationalists do to the land promise, Covenantalists do to the geneological principle (entering the covenant through circumcision). The work of the high priest was always only for the covenant people. In fact, “speaking the truth in love is both at the heart of the new covenant stipulations and is also a short summary of them” (p. 571). God must do what He promises to do, but the true meaning of what He promised lies apart from the promises themselves - in the NT - a revelation no first generation Christian had access to. The footnotes are super helpful and detailed. But they assert a third way to understand redemptive history that sort of splits the difference between Covenant Theology and Progressive Dispensationalism. Most of the time it is true I think, but it is pretty standard to just include that. But I'd appreciate it if you'd respond to these matters, and/or the others I spoke about above. It isn't. Whether or not one agrees with my position or the DT position, or CT or NCT positions, the fact is the brother's argument has problems. The authors showed in t. If I could give decimal-stars, this would be a 2.5. They look at the major lexical and syntactic issues of the second half of the book. Further, you should know that scholars cannot agree on 2nd temple interpretations. That basically means I'm Baptist and I have a biblical theological understanding of the Church as the fulfillment (not replacement) of Israel by means of her union with Christ the true Israel. The Bible does not seem to make this distinction, this "canon within a canon," that you are leaning heavily on. At 716 pages (before appendix and indices)"Kingdom Through Covenant" proves to be a weighty volume, but it is a tremendous resource. any other path will lead us to lose what it means to be truly human (pp. NCT is an animal that neither CT nor DT like. It removes all meaning from the OT text. They are viewing the development of the covenants (the s is also an important distinction they make from covenant theology) diachronastically. However, if the NT authors used the OT legitimately, then the meaning they assert is in the text and we can replicate. Love this book and it has shaped my theology of how the Bible hangs together - Progressive covenantalism. Thus, all the old problems with CT surface: the OT is treated as a depository of types (interpreted as fulfilled at the first advent! We must obey these instructions, because only in this way can we attain social justice, and only in this way can we become truly human. Kingdom through Covenant is the kind of book you must read with your eyes opened and fully engaged. Your position seems to negate that. Finally (for now), why is G.N. Foundationally, they argue that “it is through the biblical covenants that God’s kingdom comes to this word centered in the person and work of our Lord Jesus Christ” (p. 591). That seems pretty strong, doesn't it? PETER J. GENTRY & STEPHEN J. WELLUM I could say more but you should really buy the book. Believing that Jesus is the "True Israel" isn't unique to any system. 586-87). (Sermon Audio)Read a conversation between the authors of Kingdom Through Covenant and Darrell Bock, Michael Horton, and Douglas Moo entitled Kingdom Through Covenant. Look brother, if you think the OT is a repository of "types" waiting to be properly understood by readers of the NT, that fine. Wellum is professor of Christian theology at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. I was pondering this remark today as I wrapped up a study of eschatology in Amos 9. I realized that NT authors treated some of the OT prophecies which DT sees fulfilled in the second coming as already fulfilled in the first coming. To your quote though, is it possible you mean that the NT uses certain texts differently than what some DTers say? They argue that Ephesians 4:25-5:5 Paul is arguing for a new Christian ethic established by the new covenant. Visually, this book is top notch. This fundamental point of the vision has unfortunately escaped the attention of proponents of both dispensational and nondispensational treatments in the last hundred years. My main point is to suggest that our interpretation of the NT may be just as faulty as it is of the OT. If NT authors do not arrive at the same interpretation, we know that we failed to discern the divinely intended meaning. As a covenant theology loving Christian I found their critiques even-handed and thoughtful. Finally, a word on the book’s accessibility. I am Founder of Telos Ministries, and Senior Pastor at Agape Bible Church in N. Ca. I simply wish to put forth a plea for plain speech. They both assume fulfillment at the Cross without proving that thesis. The result is a massive yet fascinating exploration of the unfolding of the covenants of Scripture that is both theologically rich and exegetically compelling. Jesus as the "True Israel" would only nullify the land promises and national salvation if the NT was silent about the matter. Which leads us back to the problem I brought up before. We may assert some new view based on the NT, when in fact we misunderstand the NT. After all the groundwork and exegesis, the book closes with a discussion on the implications of this middle way. 15:5-7 I blog at Fundamentally Reformed. Creation is ordered based on God’s covenant. The reason I say "stuck" is that those of us in this murky middle area don't find either system completely convincing; yet over the course of the previous century, there has not been any third option presented that has proved to be a real contender with these two long-established. And I have a biblical theological understanding of the "land" as typologically pointing to our experience of rest now ("already") and the greater realization of our heavenly inheritance later ("not yet"). They discuss this covenant within their three horizons (textual, epochal, and canonical) demonstrating that talking of a covenant in creation is not a fabricated reformed blindspot but is a Biblical, exegetical, and historically sound interpretation of what takes place in Genesis 1-3. See above ... How do you know what the NT authors meant? To contend that the NT cannot correct our interpretation is to claim infallibility for our interpretation. 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